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good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show." coming to you live from rockefeller center. three days until the election. mitt romney throws a desperate hail mary, president obama is hanging with katy perry and the latest on how hurricane sandy is affecting early voting in ohio. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we know what change looks like. >> three days and the obama campaign is pumped. the romney campaign is still playing with shiny objects. >> did you see what president obama said today? he asked his supporters to vote for revenge. >> alex wagner and michael steel on a huge day on the campaign trail. early voting rages on in ohio.
state senator nina turner has the latest as the righties continue to delewd themselves about the buckeye state. >> mitt romney will win ohio and he's going to win ohio easily. >> i think ohio is going to be a squeaker, maybe 80, 110,000 vote margin but i think the republicans are likely to take it. >> bob strom is here and he'll set the record straight. >> an bill clinton continues to slam the door on romney in the state of virginia. >> if you really believe we're all in this together, re-elect president obama. >> as katy perry lights up the badger state. good to have you with us tonight. with just about 50 hours until election day, the candidates are making their closing arguments like never before and in the battleground state of ohio, president obama is definitely on the move. the latest nbc maris poll has the president up.
he is pushing hard about the dishonest ad about jeep moving jobs to china. >> you've got folks who work at the jeep plant who have been calling their employers worried asking if their jobs were being shipped to china. you've heard about this. everybody heard about this? and the reason they're worried is because governor romney is running ads saying that jeep is shipping jobs to china. there's only one problem. it's not true. >> it's just not ohio where president obama is surging. in 22 new polls of battleground states, the president leads in 19 of them. the obama campaign is taking nothing for granted, however. and joe biden put the campaign into perspective. >> i want to remind you, this is the end of daylight savings time tonight.
it's mitt romney's favorite time of the year because he gets to turn the clock back. he wants to turn that clock back so desperately. this time he can really do it tonight, it happens. >> in between all this hectic campaigning, president obama visited fema for an update on storm relief. president obama's best new buddy, chris advertise tea of new jersey extended early voting in the state of new jersey today. from the romney campaign, another sign of desperation. here's governor romney in dubuque, iowa today. >> yesterday the president said something you may have already heard that i found troubling, spoke to an audience and said voting is the best revenge. he's asking his supporters to vote for revenge. i'm asking you to vote for love of country. >> here's exactly what president
obama said in springfield ohio. >> don't boo, vote. vote. voting is the best revenge. >> that was a riff on what president obama says every time the crowd boos when they hear the name mitt romney. the president says don't boo, vote. this time he tossed in, okay, a line with the word revenge in it. of course, revenge was probably not the best word choice, but it was truly just a throwaway line. the romney campaign, what do they do? they wasted no time capitalizing on the word revenge. in an 11th hour attempt to change the subject, the republican candidates have both gone to pennsylvania in the past 24 hours because they see that ohio is sthripg away. we want to know what you think tonight. will romney's last minute attacks on president obama work? text a for yes, text b for no to 622639.
you can always leave a comment at our blog at ed.msnbc.com. >> one of the big hurd els that president obama has right now is to get white working male os his side. how do you see that playing out from what you've been able to see on the ground in ohio. >> that's exactly why he went to lake county today. it's a place i know well, i was born and raised in that county and it was a tight one in 2008. barack obama pulled it out by less than 1%, but it's a county that's 95% whoit and it's a place where barack obama believes that his economic message will resonate. he was hitting hard in his speech today. in the 82 out of 88 counties
that have businesses that are related to the auto industry, is the controversy that's gone on over that widely discredited ad put out by the romney campaign. and if you talk to people on the ground, one of the things that they'll tell you is that they think there has been a backlash against that ad. that the voters here know exactly what's going on in the auto industry. one out of every eight jobs is tied to the auto industry and they say they're not being fooled by it. i also talked to several members inside the obama campaign. they also believe that that ad has worked very strongly in their favor, ed. >> so this entire narrative that the romney campaign has come up with, the candidate trying to reinvent himself on the automobile industry, would you go so far as to say you have a gut feeling that this has backfired on romney in ohio? >> well, look. i know the people who live in that region where the president was today. i know my family, they all are
working class. my father was working class. he worked in a factory nearby. and i think they're looking for a level of respect that they know what the truth is. and i think that's why the president was hitting this so hard. look, he has not done well, as you know, with white working class voters. it's been hard for him to hit 40% nationwide. but in ohio, that number in the most recent poll that i've seen is closer to 5%. so they know that their message is working in their favor. and i can tell you from conversations i've had on ground, and it certainly is the belief of the obama campaign and the folks i talked to yesterday, that that ad has hurt mitt romney more than it's helped him by far. >> chris, what are you hearing on the ground about the legal avenues that the obama campaign is taking to make sure that the integrity of the vote is what it needs to be? >> well, they're serious about it, ed. 2500 lawyers on the ground in the state of ohio. 600 just in cleveland's county
where there have bevern concerns about voter suppression. new software that has been installed in some of theegs electronic voting minutes and they're raiding questions about whether those results can be trusted. now, the secretary of state who you know has been involved in a number of controversies says it's in a limited number of counties, 44, which would be half. and he said that he believes that it's not going to be a concern. but i can tell you that come election day, if problems do occur, and if this race is closer, then that most recent 6% poll would indicate, there are going to be lots of lawyers, and they've been holding training sessions for poll workers and other people to get involved to make sure that this integrity of this election is upheld. >> all right. chris jansing reporting from ohio.
>> alex, you first. this word "revenge", it probably wasn't the best word the president could have used, but it didn't take the romney camp very long to jump on it. is this a last-ditch desperation. >> i think actually if you look in the decksry under last-ditch campaign effort, you see this line of attack. the president has had a number of sort of throwaway lines that the romney camp has south to make hay out of. at this late stage in the game is it shows a sign of desperation. this is totally taken out of context and as you said, this is something the president says all the time. the spirit of it is go out to the polls. the "washington post" has a pretty strong assessment of why this is so in some ways
despicable on the national stage. the romney campaign thinks so little of the american voter at this point. that we don't need the specifics, that you can get away with these small attacks to obfuscate the larger message which is we don't know what romney is about, he hasn't taken questions from reporters and this is your closing argument? >> they've not only taken out an ad but they have repeated this almost half a dozen times today on the stump. what do you make of it? is this really a focal point now for the romney campaign and their closing argument of the american people? >> i don't think it's so much a focal point but a reemphasis, just sort of making the point as you saw in the rest of the clip there, the contrast, the president wants to talk about your vote being a matter of revenge and i want to talk to you about your vote being about america. so i think they were setting that up. i get the joke.
if romney had used that word in the context of something else, i doubt you or anyone else would be as sanguine about the use of that word. >> i would have led the broadcast with it. >> i know you would have. >> i just admitted to alex that i think it was a very poor choice of wording by the president and that's why the president didn't repeat it. >> can i say something? does anybody really think that president obama is out for revenge? in terms of strategy. >> of course not. look. it's the end of a very, very long campaign. it's the heat of battle. i get everything you're saying about the numbers and all the put-down on romney and his lack of telling us and i have problems with the lack of specificity that's come from this campaign. i think if they had been more specific they would probably be a lot further ahead. but look at the numbers if all that you're saying is true and america is so put off by romney, then why is this presidency on
the brink of collapse next tuesday? >> come on. michael, honestly. you think that president obama's campaign and presidency is on the brink of collapse? >> i'm just saying -- i'm saying look at the numbers. the president is not running away with this election, ed. >> no, he's not but -- >> you can cherry pick your way to where he's leading. >> a tight election was predicted all along and stated all along by both camps months ago. we knew it was going to come down to just a few people sitting on the fence ended up making a decision and making a difference in this campaign. >> and -- >> and why was that? because of the state of the economy, the way people are looking at these issues, and dissecting the campaign. >> chairman, if you look at how the two campaigns are being run at this zaj and who has the sand slipping through their fingers and the behavior of the candidates on the stump, the messaging, the strategy, who would you rather be?
>> i think i quite frarngly think the romney campaign, even despite the pause with sandy, and that took a lot of momentum that karl rove noted in his piece today, i think the romney campaign has done an expert job of keeping themselves in the campaign against a formidable political mrn that the president has particularly coming off that first debate and really keeping this thing to the wire. we're down now ed to two states. >> we are. >> of possibly calling this election. virginia and ohio. >> but michael, in closing here, you think that the romney camp has done a heck of a job keeping themselves in the campaign with all that money that they've had out there? come on, now. there's no question that the country now it was going to come down to the final hours of people making a decision, so much money, so much intensity, we're a divided country. i just think that when you look at ohio, what is dogging mitt romney right now is the way he
has handled this automobile industry. >> oh, no question about that. i am totally on your page on that front. i thought that was a little ham handed and really put the campaign into an awkward position to try and clean it up. >> alex, is the automobile the waterloo for mitt romney? >> absolutely. 110%. every campaign comes book to the candidate. the fact that mitt romney did what he did, wrote that op ed and then ran for president and did not think he was going to have to do any triage on that is a sign of a very flawed candidate or someone who totally under estimates the american worker. >> ed? when you're calling him president elect romney on wednesday, we can talk about that again. >> call me. >> i might have to take a few months off. >> come to my place. >> you're buying the pizza, chairman. >> michael steele, alex wagner. >> no i'm not taking any time off. share your thoughts with us on
twitter and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, three days until the election, yet some righties are already calling ohio for mitt romney. democratic strategist bob strom will be here to explain why they are wrong. stay tuned, you're watching "the ed show". in their favor.
>> welcome back to the "the ed show." that of course was the ohio governor last night. he and other conservatives, they're living basically i think in a state of denial. they are casting aside every poll and trying to create this narrative out there that they are just in great shape in the buckeye state. this latest poll tells a different story. the president leads by 6 points. it will be tough for mitt romney to make up that kind of ground in the final days. >> sean hannity, this date has flipped from the blue column to the red column. mitt romney will win ohio and he's going to win ohio easily. >> holy smokes. meanwhile karl rove is acting like mitt romney has already got the thing all wrapped up. >> for the president to have wiped out his victory margin by poor performance in the early voting and the republicans are
going to take election day, boeds well for romney for election day. i think ohio is going to be a squeaker, maybe 80, 100, 110,000 vote margin. >> let's turn to bob strum, mop the floor on that one. >> it's drifl. in the last ten days, 17,000 people have been polled in ohio. if you put all those polls together, even the republican leaning polls, the president has a lead outside the margin of error in those combine surveys. number two, he has a great ground game. if you look at that early voting, that early voting is working out very well for democrats. and in fact in florida where they tried to stop people from voting, it's made them mad and they go wait in lines two and three hours.
thirdly you were right in the earlier segment. there is no question that the auto industry is lethal for romney in ohio. that story was told during the smur summer. the bain story was told during the summer and he lives with it. by the way, he didn't write that headline. i'll let detroit go bankrupt. but he adopted it. he doubled down on it in a television interview and said yes, that's exactly what i was saying. >> is there a motivation pitch being made by rove to make people feel good. >> i think nathsly you're going to see some more movement toward the president. i think he's going to win ohio by 4, 5, 6 points. i think the nbc poll out there is probably right. but rove does have this belief that if you say you're going to win, then you're likely to win. the difficulty with that is even he's getting scared. he's done this interview with the "the washington post" where he said the hurricane helped the president, it's hurt romney. he was predicting romney at 279 elect troel votes. >> when you elect a president,
you don't know what kinds of emergency may happen. you don't know what problems he or she may deal with. but you do want to be able to trust your president. >> i mean the word "trust" has really been the narrative for the obama campaign for the last month, talking about can you trust what he says, can you trust what he's going to do. but most of all, it's the storm that has also, i think, helped out the president as well because itsz given him an opportunity to show how he can be an executive, to develop the trust that he's talking about to the point where chris christie is one of his best surrogates. >> there's a coherent narrative and you're right about the storm being the last piece of that narrative. people look at the president and look at the guy who took out osama bin laden and the guy who handled this hurricane and they look at the guy who said he was
going to do certain things, even if people didn't necessarily agree with all of them, he did what he said he was going to do. mitt romney on the other hand, won't give specifics and tell anybody what his tax plan is going to do. i don't trust this guy not to take away my home interest mortgage deduction. >> karl rove is now saying that sandy helped the president politically. >> he had this big prediction in 2000 that bush was going to win by a huge margin. and after the election he said, oh, no, it was the drunk driving thing that derailed us and made the election so close. what we saw in the gore campaign we were making huge process. we were hurt by the drunk driving thing because it took the story away from medicare and social security. >> how concerned are you about the shenanigans that's been played out in ohio of suppressing the vote, the long
lines that your campaign with senator kerry experienced in 2004. i mean, is there a chance that president obama could lose ohio? >> i think it will be tough. they have a lawyers on the ground there, the exoin campaign. and you know, you're right about 2004. if you were a college student or an african-american, you sometimes had to wait eight or ten hours to vote. i don't think they're going to get away with stealing this election, they're going to try to delegitimate the president's win afterwards. next, from long lines to power outages, ohio voters are facing obstacles to get to the voting booth. state senator knee na turner jones us with an update. then former president bill clinton. does it get any better than this? this guy has really worked overtime to help president obama in the campaign. we're going to take a look at exactly how effective he's been.
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it is the final few days of early voting in the state of ohio. the lines are long. now some voters in this key swing state face another issue, power outages. the effects of hurricane sandy are being felt as far west as cleveland, a democratic stronghold and crucial for president obama to win the buckeye state. nine polling stations in cuyahoga county are currently without power as the cleveland "plain dealer" reports locations for more than a dozen others can't be reached by telephone. local officials are confident voting on election day will go as planned. >> we are working diligently to make sure those are up and running. the utility companies had made a priority for those locations and we've been assured by monday night we should have power in all locations. >> so the big question is what happens if the power is not restored? >> people can still vote even if is by a flashlight and chilly in those locations.
>> i'm joined bio yoe state senator nina turner. great to have you with us tonight. there's a few hurdles here that have to be done for president obama to take this state. but i want to go to this. earlier today ohio secretary of state was asked about the controversial new voting software installed in some counties, here's what he said. >> the reporting system and the actual counting system are not connected in any way and the results that anybody can get at home they're going to get them the same time i do on election night. >> senator, what do you make of that? is the system transparent? >> certainly there are a lot of activists here in ohio who are concerned about that, namely the northeast ohio voter advocates. and what i will say is that they should not be experimenting in a presidential election. the secretary of state had previous years to try and experiment. so there is some concern there, the fact that this experiment is taking place in 44 counties, ed. but we cannot take our eyes off
the prize. other folks are working on this, we have our eye on this. but we're continuing to work. the man throws up so so much. s.o.s. used to stand for secretary of state but here it stands for secretary of suppression. >> here's another comment he made. >> right now we're at 85% of them were sent have been returned. we expect a lot of voters put them in the mail yesterday and today and we think that the number could actually be smaller than it was the last time. so we're not concerned about that. >> senator your thoughts. >> of course he's not concerned? this secretary of state has taken a cavalier attitude when it comes to other folks' right and ability to vote. don't forget shs this is the man who appealed all the way to the united states supreme court to try to take away the last three days of early voting from all ohioans including veterans. so i'm not surprised he's cool, calm and collected about it. we do have those last three days, folks were out in force
today, especially in cuyahoga county. about 3100 people voted today. mothers, fathers, children, out in the cold. they were excited. it was eelectric. and then to have stevie wonder come by and vivica fox come by. we are holding strong. he is the secretary of suppression. make no mistake about it. >> what about flashlights and paper ballots? does that kind of contingency plan inspire confidence? i mean, these are somewhat a primitive backup systems. are they in place and do you believe they can be affordable? >> we're going to overcome this. i'm happy to report there are only three polling places right now without electricity. they've been working hard with the utility companies, there are only three. i am confident, because she is confident, that they will be restored. here in cuyahoga county, we already use paper ballots. we don't have the touch screens in cuyahoga county. so whether or not the
electricity is there or not, those votes will be countied. jane platen is the cons ument professional and i trust her judgment. we're not talking about some politician in columbus who wants to suppress the vote, we're talking about a professional cares that every vote is county zbld you're giving us new information here tonight. there are 17 locations. the board has been unable to reach by telephone. the with 14 of those in cleveland. you're saying that that has been remedied has taken place on that? >> it has been remediesed. i talked to director jane plat ten tonight. in cleveland proper itself every single polling location has its electricity restored. we will be ready, ed, on election day. >> the $64 question. is president obama going to win the state of ohio? >> he is going to win, ed. we're going to deliver. they talked about the use of the word "revenge." . but all of us get caught up from time to time. but the president has heart-soul agreement and that is what is
going to deliver this election to him. ohioans whether they're working class white males, african-american or hispanic and asian folks we know that he has heart-soul agreement and he has been standing in the ready position for us for over four years, we are going to deliver the state of ohio for president, barack obama. >> before i let you go here, tomorrow is souls to the polls, is that correct. >> yes. >> and this is going to be a big deal, isn't it? >> big deal. from 1:00 to 5:00 p.m. we fought hard to get sunday back. the churches are ready to rock and roll and we're talking all souls to the polls tomorrow. >> thanks so much. still to come, president clinton has been an effective surrogate for president obama this election season. could he have an effect on down-ballot races as well? and the romney campaign thinks they have a shot in wisconsin. president obama and katy perry are trying to do something about that.
welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for staying with us tonight. it is no secret former president bill clinton is one of president obama's most valuable surrogates on the trail. president clinton is campaigning full force, no doubt, traveling through swing states and hitting the stump. he stopped in chesapeake, virginia today. even though his voice was hoarse, his message very clear. he laughed off republican
criticism. >> i notice the only criticism from the other party that was publicly voiced came from michael brown. who was the head of fema when katrina struck, and he criticized the president for being too quick to respond to this tragedy. i say bring it on. more criticism like that. >> and he wasn't afraid to hammer the romney campaign over their continued use of the completely misleading jeep ad, in the way that only bill clinton can do. >> when i was a kid and i got caught with my hand in a cookie jar, my face got red and i took my hand out of the cookie jar. this guy gets caught, he digs down and gets some more cookies. they actually increased the ad buy on an ad they knew was false because they think you're dumb. i think you're smart and i think barack obama will be the next president.
>> "mork times" blog shows president obama ahead by less than 1 point. president clinton's appeal with white certain voters could be the final push the president needs in the state of virginia. let's bring in joy reid. i want to say i've never seen a former president be so effective. i think a lot of people are going to be able to point to bill clinton and say this is one of the major reasons why president obama was re-elected if it happens. >> definitely. next to michelle obama, the most popular democrat in the country. nothing beats having a former president to affirm you. especially a guy like bill clinton. people believe him on the economy. >> why is he doing it? >> you know, i think part of it is that his legacy is in a sense tied to barack obama's.
because a lot of what he's saying is let's go back to the clinton rates on taxes. there's an affirmation of him in barack obama getting re-elected. and of course they did bring their two political power house families together with the hiring of hillary clinton into the cabinet of barack obama. if you want to take the most cynical view of it, if hillary clinton wants to run in 2016, what better way to set that up. >> we've got some huge loyalty markers that are going to be able to called in on this deal. >> absolutely. >> i think president clinton not only shas he done the job for president obama, but the work that he's doing for, on the down-ballot is just amazing. do you think he can swing some races? >> i think absolutely. if you look at -- i'm seeing popping into my inbox, smaller candidates like val demings who's running for a congressional seat, but she's getting help from bill clinton. he's working in palm beach county, voters who are older and
mainly white and voters who think clinton is credible. he's a validatetor for these down-ballot candidates -- and people ticket split in florida. and he's a guy who's saying keep that ticket together. >> president obama is not going to lose the state of minnesota. i can speak with a little bit of authority and credibility on that one. so president clinton going to minnesota tomorrow, he's going to be there to try to defeat michele bachmann in supporting a guy named jim graves who is a self-made guy. he's a very successful businessman. if the republicans wanted to get somebody to run, this is the kind of guy that they'd go after. >> yeah. >> what kind of effect can bill clinton have on a high profile tea partier who has been critical of the president from
day one. >> think about what you just said. this candidate on the democratic side is a perfect democrat and he's somebody that michele bachmann's softer supporters, whether it's women who are concerned with her position on women's issues, or republicans, there are a lot of republicans who look fondly at bill clinton, if clinton is validating this guy he might be my kind of democrat. >> thanks for joining us. coming up, katy perry helps president obama get out the vote in wisconsin. state senator lena taylor. stay tuned. this is "the ed show" live from democracy plaza in new york city. [ male announcer ] introducing zzzquil sleep-aid. it's not for colds, it's not for pain, it's just for sleep.
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welcome back to "the ed show." and in the big finish tonight, mitt romney is in big trouble in ohio so he really needs to win wisconsin. tonight president obama is ahead in the polls. today wisconsin become a hot campaign spot for both candidates. vice president biden talked to the voters at the red mug coffee shop in superior wisconsin, but he got up staged in milwaukee. katy perry performed some of her hit songs at the crowded rally before president obama spoke. she asked everybody there to donate to the red cross. she made this offer to encourage people to vote. >> if you're over 18, and you've got some real cool outfit you're going to wear on tuesday, you tweet that to me and i'll retweet you. because i'm going to pull out for sure as well. >> president obama didn't talk fashion.
>> wisconsin, after four years as president, you know me. and so, so, you know -- you know me. you've watched me age before your eyes. and you may not agree with every decision i've made. sometimes you may have been frustrated by the pace of change, but you know where i stand. you know what i believe. you know i mean what i say. and i say what i mean. >> we are joined tonight by wisconsin state senator lena taylor. also with us this evening ruth conif. senator tailor does the state of wisconsin know president obama better than they do mitt romney
and does that make a difference? >> we definitely know him and we believe that onsti and trust is important. we can depend on what he says and he has followed through with that and the people have been turning out for him in great numbers, in early voting. record numbers, better than in 2008. >> ruth, what do you see on the ground as far as early voting? how enthusiastic is it? >> well, it's interesting because as senator taylor knows the republicans in our state legislature curtailed our early voting and yet there are 5,000 more early votes in milwaukee. so the president is doing very well with the early voting and the enthusiasm is very very high.
>> what about katy perry? could her performance and appearance and support of wearing a "forward" dress obviously supporting president obama, i mean it doesn't get any more support on that on stage. could this really motivate young voters to go for the president? >> listen, there is no question that it motivates young voters. our motto in wisconsin is also "forward" so we loved that dress. i'm like don't you have any other pictures of the rally and of course the only one they had was her in her dress. people were excited. >> ruth, you've got katy perry this evening and now bruce springsteen is going to be in madison on monday. is the campaign worried or are they just making sure? >> i don't think they're worried, the mar ket law school poll has him up by 8 points in wisconsin. i think it's a nice way to close your campaign having tens and thousands of people cheering for the president these days. i think that's why he's here for those great video clips. >> senator, why hasn't paul ryan delivered wisconsin in the polls?
the polling has never been favorable for the romney examp and i think we can come to the conclusion just 50 hours away from election day that paul ryan doesn't seem to have had a big impact, if any, on the state of wisconsin. what do you make of that? >> i recall when he first is chose paul ryan. the question was how did we feel about it. one of the things i said we were excited, those of us in wisconsin, for one reason or another. from the democrat's perspective because we knew that paul ryan really does not connect with the values of wisconsin. and him willing to some say put grandmother over on the cliff with a voucher system in medicare does not play well, not just in wisconsin but even in his own district. so clearly wisconsin is going to go for president obama. he's protecting his relationship here, showing us that we matter and we've showed him that we care about him and we're going to show up for him. >> ruth, the president's
campaign has had a running theme for months on end, very consistent about being the advocate and the fighter for the middle class. there was quite a middle class fight in wisconsin over the last two years. are those workers there with the president? is this what's going to put the president over the top? >> i think there's no question that wisconsin progressivism is going to be a key ingredient in this election and that the president is speaking very directly to wisconsin progressives and when he says sometimes you're a little disappointed by the face of change but you know where i stand and you know i'm with you, i think that's a message that resonates and that this election is about these values, protecting the middle class, people's jobs, labor rights, versus a very awe steer, brutal vision. and i think that does make a difference in wisconsin.
people are attuned to that and they're really motivate zbld senator taylor, are you concerned that governor walker might have some dirty tricks? >> we need to work on making sure we have our attention on intimidation, voter suppression, those are the kinds of issues we've seen the republicans do here consistently. so those are concerns. i don't suggest that they aren't. but people didn't vote governor walker in last time because of his policies. they voted him in mostly because they didn't agree with recalls. so i don't expect that he will be able to influence people's ability to get out to vote because we're going to stop them and i don't think he's going to change people's opinions on president obama. >> and quickly, senator, will president obama the president win wisconsin? >> i feel very confident that he will win wisconsin. it means we're going to get up and do what we need to do. that's why people went out to early vote. we're going to take other people to the polls and get it done. >> state senator lena taylor and also ruth conniff.